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Post by Silwyna on Dec 29, 2007 13:58:31 GMT 1
from cwtv.com:
Sam and Dean race to Bobby's side after he lapses into a coma and can't be awakened. While unconscious, Bobby battles his personal demons and the reason he became a hunter is revealed.
Sam and Dean discover someone poisoned Bobby with a potion that will kill him if he doesn't wake soon. When the brothers decide to take the potion themselves to enter Bobby's dream in order to save him, they come face to face with their own personal nightmares.
Steve Boyum directed the episode written by Cathryn Humphris.
It's going to air on February 7th.
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Post by yor on Feb 6, 2008 13:09:03 GMT 1
It's a big night out Thursday, but I've got the VCR warmed up and programmed... I double checked the time and the amount of tape...
Now I'm crossing my fingers that it all works!
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Post by Silwyna on Feb 6, 2008 14:05:13 GMT 1
If it's not I can give you the link where I watch it. A big night out sounds like fun
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Post by yor on Feb 8, 2008 5:52:59 GMT 1
Sammy drunk and mopey... Dean hyped up on Caffeine... And then... (be still my heart) Sam tied up! What's not to love? HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP!!!!
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Post by mick on Feb 8, 2008 21:28:00 GMT 1
Dean--repressed issues much?
Dang--that ending gave me the chills!
Hurry up and watch, Sil!!!!! I can't wait to hear what you guys think!
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Post by Silwyna on Feb 9, 2008 0:02:15 GMT 1
Oh wow, Demon Dean ... he looks scary!!! I loved Sam's dream of Bela - interesting and totally unexpected LOL I loved this ep, but I'm too tired to write anything else right now. Go ahead with posting your thoughts, girls. I'll be joining you after a good night's sleep
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Post by yor on Feb 9, 2008 0:10:13 GMT 1
I had some issues with this one... There were many parts that I loved, but many I just couldn't buy either...
I will note that when Sam looks at the guy in the dream and tells him he took the dream root too... I thought, "He's like YED there."
I wasn't totally comfortable with Dean's intro to the Dream Dean... I've never been completely happy with just how pathetic they portray Dean's "inside". I'm NOT saying people who appear confident can't be a mess inside (hello, YOR to Self) BUT they almost either go "overboard" or just don't handle it in a way I can buy...
I'm not explaining this well and I've been trying to pin it down since last night.
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Post by mick on Feb 9, 2008 3:54:00 GMT 1
Cool--you guys have seen it. Okay, here are my ramblings about the episode.
Bobby--I have always liked him and his relationship with the boys (esp Dean). I liked learning a little more about him, and it was nice to see the boys working together to save him. I thought there were some nice moments between Bobby and Dean, and you can tell that the 3 actors like each other (I think so, anyway). Plus, there's the funny "little piggy" story from the Chicago convention, so I couldn't help but chuckle at the scene between the three of them once he woke up. I don't think he fully believes Sam about his psychic powers being back, either. And on a totally physical note--for some reason, I always imagined JBeaver with either white hair or lighter hair. It was weird to see him without his ball cap on with the red hair--it made him look younger to me, and not like the Bobby I know!
Bela--Okay, I'm sorry if this offends anyone, because I don't mean it to, but I just don't like her. I don't like how they always seem to have her playing the boys for fools. I would so love for Dean to follow through on his threat from "Fresh Blood"--if/when they get the Colt back, I would love to see him use it on her. She's like fingernails down a chalkboard for me. I can't say that it's the actress--I think it's more how they write her, how, whenever she's around, it seems like the guys get dumb. Ugh.
Sam--Oh, poor, poor Sammy. The beginning, with him in the bat, was so sad! I just wanted to give him a hug! Sitting there at the bar--he is becoming more like Dean. I enjoyed the two of them working together again, how he wouldn't let Dean enter the dreamworld alone. I do think his powers are coming back--that's he conjured up that kid's father. What did happen to that kid anyway? Did Sam kill him? Then the end, in the Impala--Dean finally says what Sam's been wanting to hear for the last few months. All I could think was, "Say something" (thinking back to CSPWDT, where Dean asks Sam what he can say to make it alright, and Sam just sits there at a loss for words). I'm so glad he responded--and the look on his face. Guh! Heartbreak mixed with determination (because, after last week, I was wondering if Sam had just given up).
Dean--oh, man. Totally shallow (and probably a little twisted), but demon Dean was hot! I loved how he cared about Bobby, the way he looked while Bobby was comatose, how he looked when he talked with Bobby after he woke up. And caffeine Dean was funny! The demon Dean thing--in a way, I guess it was kind of redundant in that nothing was said that was new to the fans; however, I don't think Dean has ever voiced it. He has finally said it out loud, admitted to himself. And I think JAckled rocked the hell out of that scene. It was painful to watch, because, I think once he started attacking himself, the emotions were so raw (and this must be the scene Jensen mentioned at Chicago, the one where he said it wiped him out emotionally). The ending--I was happy to see him admit to Sam he didn't want to go to hell, but I don't think he fully believes Sam that they can get hin out of the deal (esp affter what Ruby said). Then the ending, with the finger snap, sent chills down my spine.
The girl dreams--I don't get why the writers had Sam dream about Bela like that. Aside from that, I think JP was so funny in that scene. I loved the look on his face--I think he totally nailed that scene. Dean dreaming about Lisa tells me that he does want "normal"--no wild chicks at bars--he wants a woman, a picnic, a son playing baseball, the bright lighting (no darkness like he has in his life right now).
I liked the episode (minus Bela). I can see why Kripke would say (like he did in one recent interview) that he felt that, starting with these last few episodes, that they were on a roll before the strike happened.
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Post by yor on Feb 9, 2008 4:19:22 GMT 1
I like your take on things... I can't say anything better and I agree... As a matter of fact, if I read your take on Dean's scene with Demon Dean and I'm not as bothered...
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Post by Silwyna on Feb 9, 2008 14:54:36 GMT 1
I will note that when Sam looks at the guy in the dream and tells him he took the dream root too... I thought, "He's like YED there."I hadn't even noticed anything strange about this until Bobby brought it up. The other guy could bring up the strangest things in the dreams too, I had just assumed Sam had learned quickly to do it too Hmm, interesting that his psychic abilities might be back. I also liked the relationship between the boys and Bobby. When Dean told him that Bobby was like a father to him, I loved that. And it showed too when Dean was sitting at his bedside in hospital. I like Bela. She is an interesting character and I always enjoy watching her. What I don't like is that - like Mick said - the boys act dumb around her. She ALWAYS manages to steal something from them. You'd think they have learned by now to be more suspicious around her. Although I did believe her when she said she wanted to help Bobby. I guess I can be as dumb as the boys LOL What I did find strange was that Dean put the roots into the safe ... who would steal roots? Now I know why they showed that, but still, it didn't really make any sense. The beginning, with him in the bat, was so sad! I just wanted to give him a hug! Me too. And I was surprised to learn that Dean told Sam about humans becoming demons in hell. I had thought he would keep that to himself for a while longer. But I'm glad he did. I liked the scene in Dean's dream. At first I thought it was a bit too much, but the more I thought about it (and it was nice thinking about it while I was trying to fall asleep *g*), the more sense it made. I almost cheered for Dean when he shot evil Dean and yelled that he didn't deserve to go to hell. Finally!!! He wants to live!!! And I simply loved Demon Dean. He looked hot!!! And scary. And I never, never want to see him outside a nightmare. The girl dreams--I don't get why the writers had Sam dream about Bela like that.I didn't really understand that either, but I found it funny once Sam woke up. And - don't kill me - should Sam and Bela would start having feelings for each other, I would kinda like that. I don't want them hunting together, I don't want to see her riding in the backseat of the Impala and I don't want to see them in a cheesy romance, but other than that, it might be interesting.
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Post by yor on Feb 9, 2008 16:22:43 GMT 1
I LOVED Sam telling Dean he couldn't be saved because he didn't want to be saved.!!!! Kudos for my man! Call a spade a spade! It would piss me off too. As for Dean, I'm with Sam... How could he care so little? I just can't buy it completely. I still believe Sam suspected what would happen to Dean and Sam pushed Dean to tell him... I love that Bobby was so much neater than the Winchesters... LOL... I chuckle at the assistant who couldn't initially be swayed by Dean's charms and then had to be threatened... And then him pulling out all the stops to get her. "permanent record" I wonder if he was channeling Sam at college? "Like a bad acidic trip, know what I mean?" "totally... I mean no." Does Dean's hair seem shorter than usual? Especially in the hospital scene. Crap. Bella. Bella. Crap. "I'm feeling dirty just thinking about it." OK... HOW NAUGHTY was Sam post-dream? When Dean asks if he's going to come help... Sam looks down at his lap and then needs to stretch!!!! Sam dreaming about Bela, when it is Dean whom she supposedly wanted to have angry sex with... The meaning? Sam wants further what his brother's got? Dean's look when Sam attempts to say goodbye to Bela? What's the significance of 2154??? "Your like a father to me..." Has Dean always longed for Bobby to be his dad not John, or was this only since John died? I don't know... It wasn't that dumb. Dean, you didn't! I was thirsty!!I would SO gag on a chunk of hair! Here's what I just don't get... (Yep, I'm with Sam.) Demon Dean says "I know how dead you feel inside... how worthless... how you look in a mirror and hate what you see." I just just don't see those extremes in his personality. Those are the parts I have trouble with... We interrupt this Dean analysis for SAM SPREADEAGLE!!!!! Back to Dean... What follows is that part I buy and the part that hurts to watch as it is so vivid... "Not much of a life worth saving." I did wince at everything being John's... and no orignal thoughts. I think I'm bothered by how he paints John... I don't think John really felt Dean was nothing... How catharthic for Dean to admit those things... Those are the parts I can SO buy... "I didn't deserve the things he put on me." Now, as for Sam not screaming in pain from being hit by the bat... I don't buy it... Sorry, but one does NOT get his repeatedly and NOT cry out... holding his tongue my ass. I think Sam used the image of the father to kill him. I agree... although I don't mind Bela... I also don't like how they do seem to always trust her... Although I suppose she does usually come through for them... Now, so in the end... with Dean's admission... Doesn't this mean he does now see that he is more than what he thought he was?
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Post by Silwyna on Feb 9, 2008 16:43:21 GMT 1
As for Dean, I'm with Sam... How could he care so little? I just can't buy it completely.I buy it completely. Dean's whole life has been about other people. Look out for your brother. Follow my orders. Find your mother's killer. Become a hunter. Not once did Dean was given the feeling that there was something more important than this. Sam comes first. John's orders are more important than what he wants. He has to keep hunting because if he don't than people die and it's his fault. Dean gave his life for Sam when he made the deal. Sam will live and he doesn't care what will happen to him. Because he is not as important. I can totally see Dean having this feelings about himself, even though no one else does of course. I just know that John loved him as much as Sam; after all, he made an even worse deal to save him. Only Dean doesn't believe that he was worth that *sniff* Crap. Bella. Bella. Crap. "I'm feeling dirty just thinking about it."I LOVED that Sam dreaming about Bela, when it is Dean whom she supposedly wanted to have angry sex with... The meaning? Sam wants further what his brother's got?Whatever it's suppposed to mean, I don't think it's that. That would be just ... ewww. Has Dean always longed for Bobby to be his dad not John, or was this only since John died?I don't think that he meant that he'd rather would have Bobby to be his father instead of John. I think he just feels safe with Bobby. He can rely on him 100 % and Bobby cares for the boys like they're his sons. He shows that, maybe better than John ever could, but I don't think Dean would ever "replace" the two. I think I'm bothered by how he paints John... I don't think John really felt Dean was nothing...I don't think that either but I can understand that Dean would think like that ... not all the time, but sometimes in weak moments. John always put a lot of things first before showing Dean how much he loves him. Now, so in the end... with Dean's admission... Doesn't this mean he does now see that he is more than what he thought he was?I think he wants to believe that, but still has a long way to go.
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Post by yor on Feb 9, 2008 17:15:50 GMT 1
The human mind and soul is a warped thing...
What frustrates me is that as a Sam-fanatic, I don't see John giving Sam NEAR the love he showed Dean...
The hugs are more genuine, the smiles, in the cemetary, John touches DEAN... and yet Dean has warped all that... HELL, John even confesses his sins to Dean before he dies...
It's about perspective. John delivered what I believe to be negative attention on Sam... But Dean saw it as attention and some attention is better than none.
Which is why I thought Sam's dream of Bela was his own jealousy of Dean... Even in the bar, he wants to be like Dean...
Poor Dean doesn't see the value, but others do.
It's the classic case of heart vs. logic. Our brains may know something... doesn't mean our hearts accept it.
I have to also remember to separate fanfic from the series...
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Post by Silwyna on Feb 10, 2008 0:15:48 GMT 1
What frustrates me is that as a Sam-fanatic, I don't see John giving Sam NEAR the love he showed Dean...
I agree. John let Dean do most of the "father stuff" when it came to Sam. Maybe that's why both brothers believe that John loved the other one more. Sam because he always watched his father hunting with Dean. They love the same music, they love the car, they love hunting. As Dean is older, he would have spend more time with John training while Sam might have felt left out. And Dean always got to hear from John that he needed to watch out for Sammy. That Sam was the first priority. That might have ingrained in him that John loved Sam more. Because there wasn't really anyone who watched out for Dean. John loved them deeply, but I don't think he was capable of really showing them that after Mary's death.
Our brains may know something... doesn't mean our hearts accept it.
I'm telling myself that every day but even I have trouble with that. And I'm not half as screwed as Dean is LOL
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Post by yor on Feb 10, 2008 1:20:33 GMT 1
Another classic human condition... We don't see what's before us... Dean didn't see John's love for him (in the way it was expressed) and Sam didn't see it from him either. Parents really screw their children up, don't they?
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