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Post by Silwyna on Jul 30, 2009 21:25:47 GMT 1
Episode Summery: Castiel tells Sam and Dean that he is going to search for God, who will be able to defeat Lucifer. Bobby’s old hunter friend, Rufus (guest star Steven Williams), is panicked about demons attacking his town, and begs Bobby for help. Sam and Dean arrive at the town and realize there is a spell over the townspeople, making them hallucinate that they are demons and causing them to kill one another.
Phil Sgriccia directed the episode written by Sera Gamble.
Air Date: September 17th
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Post by mick on Aug 28, 2009 0:28:29 GMT 1
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Post by Silwyna on Aug 28, 2009 16:18:39 GMT 1
*** Ellen!!! And Rufus!!!*** And the boys ... Judging from the episode pics and the promos, this season is going to ROCK!
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Post by Silwyna on Sept 18, 2009 19:46:24 GMT 1
I'm the first one to write something about this ep? I think it was great! First, Ellen!!! I LOVE having her back on the show and I hope to see more from her. I missed her!!!! I like that she's hunting with Jo; I was surprised to see her again. What's wrong with Bobby? He can't walk anymore? Did they mention that last episode? How did I miss THAT??? I loved Sam shoving Dean against the wall when he kept showing his mistrust. Sure, he has all the reasons, but I like that Sam isn't just taking it I'm not sure I like how they're handling his demon blood addiction. Last episode it was gone like it had never been there. This ep he suddenly craves it again, or at least the feeling he got through it. The split up felt a bit forced. Maybe that's just because I knew it was coming, but it came too fast. Dean didn't even put up some kind of fight! Like Sam, I at least expected some kind of objection. So, "War" isn't a demon? What is he then? And if even Lucifer can be killed, why not the four Horsemen?
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Post by Silwyna on Sept 19, 2009 9:17:42 GMT 1
I forgot to mention this last night: Dean's amulett!!!!! I LOVE that it has a meaning and wasn't forgotten and even more so I LOVE how reluctant Dean was to give it away
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Post by yor on Sept 19, 2009 14:46:41 GMT 1
I only caught the last half because I was taking Tam to therapy, so I'm waiting until I can watch the whole thing. Seems I'm destined to miss the beginnings...
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Post by mick on Sept 19, 2009 14:49:20 GMT 1
I so agree with you about Ellen! She was awesome! I also loved seeing Rufus again. I hope they both make a reappearance this season! Bobby's injury--they did mention it last episode, but I thought he stabbed himself in the stomach. Unless it has to do with what Zach was telling Dean when trying to force him to be Michael's vessel? One little thing I loved--JA's delivery to the other guy when discussing where they served. I disagree about Dean "serving" in hell as much as he was tortured/tortured others (it's not like he was down there fighting), but I loved how JA said it. War is a horseman of the apocalypse, not a demon. There's some info here about them: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_ApocalypseI liked the shocking scene, too, although, I have to admit to being a little irritated with Sam at that point. Of course Dean doesn't trust him, and it seemed like he couldn't understand why Dean wasn't just over it. Trust is a great thing to have, and an awful thing to lose. I can remember as a kid my mom always saying to never do anything to break her trust, because it would be hard to get it back, and to this day it's a big thing with me (so, in other words, I may be bringing personal feelings to the story). Dean has always been about his family. Sam knows this, and he broke the most important thing. Dean is not just going to be able to get over it, no matter how much either one may want him to. but, I have to say, I loved Sam in the end. I saw some real growth--form both boys, actually. Sam has finally realized that his decisions got him where he is. He can blame everyone else, his circumstances, but at the end of the day, he made the choices. He has finally admitted that to himself. He knows he needs to work on himself before he can help his brother. I so wanted to give him a hug and tell him how proud I was of him. He's got to learn to trust himself before he can expect Dean to. And I saw real growth for Dean, too. As much as people wanted to see Dean go after him (but, I have to admit, I didn't, because I think this is the best thing for them), I think he did the right thing. Just like earlier in the episode when Sam was caight by Jo and Rufus, you could tell Dean wanted to go after him, but then he looked back in that room and saw all those people who were depending on him. Dean has finally realized that this is bigger then just him and Sam--this is the end of the world. If he's worried about Sam, watching his back and all, he won't be able to do what needs to be done to save humanity. It's not just about wendigos and vampires, etc, anymore. I think both of them need to be apart, to get stronger apart, so that way when they get together again they will be stronger together and able to do what needs to be done. But, Dean did offer Sam the one other thing that means the world to him--his home--the Impala. To me, that says that Dean still loves Sam, he's still the most important person to him (that and all his hesitancy on giving up the amulet), but they just can't be together right now. Like a parent, Dean has to let go and let Sam find his own way. Like a child, Sam has to become is own person. They didn't leave angry at each other, no slamming doors or yelling, and I could see that neither one necessarily wanted it, but they need it. Ooh--I loved that x-ray. But when Cas told Dean that he and Sam were responsible for the apocalypse, I was like, "They didn't do it alone--they had help!" I mean, Cas did let Sam out of the panic room (I wonder if the boys know about that). I don't know yet what to think about the amulet. Bobby didn't know what it was when he gave it to Sam? I wonder if that was always the plan or if the writers came up with it when talking about this episode? This ep he suddenly craves it again, or at least the feeling he got through it. See, I didn't think it was the blood itself as much as it was the power and control he felt when taking it. Sam, I think, has never really felt like he was in control of his life. John forced hunting on him, then he leaves to go to Stanford to try to get some control, but the YED still finds him. The blood made him feel powerful, like he could do anything--was more powerful than anyone. War even told him how he could see into his mind and see how much he craved that power and control. I liked this episode more than last week's. I liked the storyline, the reveal that they weren't demons at all. I thought the acting was top-notch in this one.
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Post by Silwyna on Sept 19, 2009 14:49:40 GMT 1
Bummer Do they show the episode again before next thursday?
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Post by Silwyna on Sept 19, 2009 14:57:03 GMT 1
One little thing I loved--JA's delivery to the other guy when discussing where they served. I disagree about Dean "serving" in hell as much as he was tortured/tortured others (it's not like he was down there fighting), but I loved how JA said it.
Totally agree!
Ooh--I loved that x-ray. But when Cas told Dean that he and Sam were responsible for the apocalypse, I was like, "They didn't do it alone--they had help!" I mean, Cas did let Sam out of the panic room (I wonder if the boys know about that).
Oh, you're right! I forgot about Castiel letting Sam out. So he's as much to blame! Wonder if HE forgot that too?
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Post by yor on Sept 19, 2009 14:59:33 GMT 1
I taped it... The amulet. I loved the symbolism for the brothers in Dean giving it up. He's giving up in a way on Sam. BUT, it will become the thing that helps save them? Ellen rocks. When Ellen meets them and she says, "this is it, end times." And Sam says, "pretty much." The looks of guilt on Sam's face as he looks away and can't meet her face. UGH! I agree. I LOVE Sam in the end. And although Dean is harsh in the end, he is hurting. It's necessary. And as for Bobby's injury, a knife like that, going in like it did, could have easily hit the spine. Dean's demon eyes... freaky... Why couldn't they give us a treat? Have the boys prove they couldn't be possessed by flashing some chest and their sexy tats?
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Post by Silwyna on Sept 19, 2009 15:43:24 GMT 1
I liked the shocking scene, too, although, I have to admit to being a little irritated with Sam at that point. Of course Dean doesn't trust him, and it seemed like he couldn't understand why Dean wasn't just over it (...)I think Sam does understand, but it's not always easy to take the mistrust. What I liked about this scene is that Sam isn't just giving up and taking it all. He stands up in that scene and says "Stop it! I know you don't trust me, but stop shoving it in my face and let's work on this" ... sort of at least. I think it's important for Sam to want Dean's trust back and not just accept that the mistrust is there. Does that make sense? I can't find the right words As for the end: I also saw the growth in Sam and I think that was a very important step for him. It still bugs me that Dean just let him go. This is my personal opinion coming in and it's probably not a very healthy one, but to me, family should always come first. So when Dean has to decide between saving the world and saving Sam ... it should be Sam. It's dumb, of course, (and terribly selfish) because by chosing Sam over the world, he ultimately kills Sam too, but still ... I really wish Dean would have objected to Sam leaving. I LOVED that he wanted to give him the Impala! That's the closest Dean ever came to show Sam how important he is to him The X-ray was awesome! I would have loved to see the face of whoever took it LOL When Ellen meets them and she says, "this is it, end times." And Sam says, "pretty much." The looks of guilt on Sam's face as he looks away and can't meet her face. UGH!I thought the same! Throughout the episode, I thought Sam would tell her. I guess it's better he didn't. And as for Bobby's injury, a knife like that, going in like it did, could have easily hit the spine.Poor Bobby Someone is going to heal him, right? Why couldn't they give us a treat? Have the boys prove they couldn't be possessed by flashing some chest and their sexy tats? I would have liked that
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Post by mick on Sept 19, 2009 15:44:27 GMT 1
And although Dean is harsh in the endI didn't see him as harsh as must as honest. I think this is the most honest he's ever been with Sam, actually. I do think part of Sam was shocked by it--I do think he was expecting Dean to put up a fight, because that's what he would have done in the past. I love the growth of both boys. My only fear now is that they will turn this into a "Sam will go evil without Dean" thing, like, if Dean doesn't go back to Sam, Sam won't be strong enough to not go evil, and it'll be Dean's fault that he turned his back on Sam or something (which, I don't think he did turn his back on Sam). I want to see them both grow and come back together because they want to, otherwise they'll go back to the same way they were before. They've got to be able to stand on their own before they can stand with each other. Dean's demon eyes... freakyYES!!!! I think it's because JA's eyes are so big and round. Have the boys prove they couldn't be possessed by flashing some chest and their sexy tats?Shoot--I would have just liked to have seen them without their jackets on, in just their shirts!!! And as for Bobby's injury, a knife like that, going in like it did, could have easily hit the spine.
I'm actually kind of concerned for Bobby because of this--he's not handling it well. What would he do (and this is just me asking--no spoiler or anything) if Lucifer showed up and offered to heal him for something in return? ? Like Bobby following him or something?? A trade for Sam/Dean??
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Post by Silwyna on Sept 19, 2009 15:50:28 GMT 1
I'm actually kind of concerned for Bobby because of this--he's not handling it well. What would he do (and this is just me asking--no spoiler or anything) if Lucifer showed up and offered to heal him for something in return?? Like Bobby following him or something?? A trade for Sam/Dean??Never. This is Bobby ... he'd rather die than sell his soul for this. My only fear now is that they will turn this into a "Sam will go evil without Dean" thing, (...)I think this is what we had at the end of last season, when Dean told Sam to not come back and Sam ended up killing Lillith. Based on what I read about the next episode (and I could be wrong), I think this is where Sam will learn how to deal with his issues and reunite with Dean again at the end of that episode or the next one. I don't think they'll be apart for very long. ETA: Thanks for the info on the horsemen, Mick!
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Post by mick on Sept 19, 2009 16:28:24 GMT 1
Does that make sense?It does. I didn't see it that way, but it's interesting (to em) to see another interpretation of the scene. As for Dean--he's always been about "saving people, hunting things." That's what he's doing now. I read something somewhere that said part of what makes a hero a hero is making the hard choices. This is what Dean is doing right now (and what I also think Sam will be faced with as well). It's the "good of the few against the good of the many." Dean's not the kind of person to let the world burn because he's worried about Sam. He was there once (when Sam died--the whole "Let it end!" scene with Bobby), which is another area of growth. He has realized that this is bigger than him and his brother. He played a part in starting it, and he's going to see it through to the end. It's a tough decision, and his face said so, but how can he not try? He wouldn't be able to live with himself if he let the world end because of Sam, and, honestly, Sam (I think) wouldn't want him to. I don't think they'll be apart for very longITA. Kripke knows the heart of this show is the boys being together. I can't see him having them apart for half the season or anything. They just both need to get their heads on straight before they can be together. That's the closest Dean ever came to show Sam how important he is to him I would have to disagree on this ...I do think, though, that he showed Sam that yes, he still cares, he still loves his brother, he's still worried about him, that he is still important to Dean.
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Post by yor on Sept 19, 2009 23:44:31 GMT 1
I think Sam does understand, but it's not always easy to take the mistrust. What I liked about this scene is that Sam isn't just giving up and taking it all. He stands up in that scene and says "Stop it! I know you don't trust me, but stop shoving it in my face and let's work on this" ... sort of at least. I think it's important for Sam to want Dean's trust back and not just accept that the mistrust is there.
I agree... It was Sam saying, "This is bigger than us." It's not about US, it's about the town.
Harsh was the wrong word... I meant HARD. Dean seems NUMB to me when it comes to Sam. His "Sam-spark" is gone. For example, when they all reconverge in the room in the final battle, the "old Dean" would have first asked where Sam was. But it's only after a bit that Dean asks where Sam is... I kept waiting for him to ask and they cover a few other things first...
As for Bobby's injury. I read an interview with JB and he said it's part of his storyline for the season, how he deals with his injury. It isn't getting magically healed any time soon...
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