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Post by Silwyna on Apr 24, 2009 20:46:40 GMT 1
Here's the official episode description:
***DEAN AND BOBBY TRAP SAM IN THE PANIC ROOM — Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Bobby (Jim Beaver) lock Sam (Jared Padalecki) in Bobby’s panic room so he can detox from the demon blood. However, as Bobby sees more seals are being broken he tells Dean they should let Sam out to help them fight the impending apocalypse. Dean disagrees and goes to Castiel (Misha Collins) for help. Sam and Dean have a big blowout confrontation. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Sera Gamble.***
I can't wait to see this!!!
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Post by October Bantum on May 5, 2009 21:07:31 GMT 1
Can't wait for this episode!!
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Post by yor on May 6, 2009 12:53:29 GMT 1
www.supernatural.tv/OK, I stopped going spoiler free.. and I watched the latest clip above. My heart absolutely broke for Sam. No wonder these boys will be broken apart... I can't WAIT for Thursday!
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Post by mick on May 6, 2009 19:52:05 GMT 1
Is this the clip that they have labeled as a tear-jerker? I haven't seen it and am trying so hard to hold out! It's so hard!
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Post by mick on May 8, 2009 3:50:43 GMT 1
Okay, that was...meh. Don't get me wrong, the acting was phenomenal. Jared should submit this one to the Emmy people (not that they would notice ). That being said... Oh, boys. Dean, Dean, Dean--why didn't you listen to Bobby? You went in there and did exactly what he said not to do. And, once again, he makes a deal to protect/save Sam. We all saw how that ended last time, too. Too bad he didn't remember Tessa's words to him. Sam--so, demon-blood withdrawal gives you hallucinations where you are told by others exactly what you've been thinking? "Mary" told him everything he wanted to hear. "Dean" told him what he's felt for a while that Dean thought. He's still making excuses to himself, but, from what I've read, that's part of addiction. Oh, boy, but what a find Colin Ford is! I LOVED the scenes with adult-Sam and kid-Sam. I think that kid could have a big future ahead of him. That scene and the very last one were the two that really got to me. Cas--what are you doing??? I really thought it was Anna that let Sam out. Speaking of, what is the point of her? She comes in to ask Cas why he did it, and then she's gone? Man, I feel so let down. I don't think Dean's going to be too happy if/when he finds out. Ruby--ugh! Why can't she die already Dean makes her part of his agreement to go with Sam, and then Sam chooses Ruby over Dean!!!! Ugh!!!!!! I would think Dean would know more about demons then Sam, seeing as he spent 40 years with them, and Sam still trusts her?? It's that demon blood. I so think she's lying--killing Lilith won't stop the apocalypse, it'll start it. Not only that, when she was talking about Lucifer's first (which, I didn't 100% get), I think she was talking about Sam. Maybe that's the last seal. Also, now wonder if heaven wants to stop the apocalypse, or do they want to start it and have the final battle? Why was Cas ordered to let Sam go? Bobby--I love you, but really?? You would be okay with Sam drinking demon blood? I could not believe Sam choking Dean like that (heh--they've really changed places--Sam used to be the one getting choked all the time). Dean was channeling John there at the end, too. What are they doing to the character of Sam? Yes, they showed me more of him, but they didn't show me anything new. I felt for him in the scene with kid-Sam, but after that...I mean, Bobby gave him a chance to make a choice, to come back in and get clean, and he chose not to. I don't think he's on the slope anymore, I think he's at the bottom. And, honestly, I don't like him right now. Both boys have made bad decisions, and I get Sam wanting Dean to listen to him, but this isn't the way to do it. All that being said, I still found it kind of...dull. I can tell that they are gearing up for next week's episode, that they are putting all the pieces in place. Hey, and according to the clip, it looks like *** Chuck *** is back!!! ETA: As I was watching this, watching the demon-blood hallucinations, watching Cas telling Dean Sam would turn into something he would hunt, all I wanted to do was to tell the boys to stop listening to all these outside forces. I think both the demons and angels are trying to cause a rift (I get the deomons wanting to, the angels, not so much), and as soon as they realize that, the better.
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Post by yor on May 8, 2009 12:50:30 GMT 1
We know the Angels can't be trusted either. Look at what's his name shutting Chuck up when he wanted to warn Sam and Dean. I also believe they want things to happen and they boys should have stopped listening to others. So, Castiel admitted that Sam could probably stop this, but that he COULD then become something that Dean would want to hunt... He uses this to turn Dean over and then releases Sam? Yeah, real trustworthy guy. I don't care if he's under orders. He lies. I loved Dean's promise to Castiel. He said he would obey like he would his own father. Well, we all know, he did defy John... So we now know, Dean can break the vow to the angels and defy God. We don't know that God is actually calling the shots. That's my guess. And I'm not liking Castiel at all either. And Anna was taken away, not just gone. And hello TOO MUCH EYELINER CASTIEL? JB and I agreed last week, we wanted to see Dean kill Ruby. Course, now I want to see Sam ultimately do it. Course, I knew Dean would blow it when he found Sam. There was no way he was going to heed Bobby's advice. I also kinda agree. Based on what she was saying, I couldn't help but wonder if Sam's turn wasn't the final seal. Dean's was the first and Sam's the last. Ruby's working for Lucifer. Sam reacted to Dean's words like any human would have. Badly. The choking was to prove his point. He didn't intend to kill Dean. He meant to prove his point, that he was stronger and could control himself. I was trying not to get too involved. I was afraid my emotions were too close to the surface... I'll rewatch in a few days... (Honestly, I kept looking around for Hans... wanting him to come interrupt me to go outside like he often did. I was waiting to tell him he'd need to wait for a commercial!)
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Post by mick on May 8, 2009 16:25:29 GMT 1
Yor--you were on my mind throughout this episode (because of Hans). that he was stronger and could control himselfExcept, I don't think he can control himself. He thinks he's in control, but I think it's Ruby who's in control. I don't for a minute believe that the reason he couldn't get a hold of her was because she was off looking for Lilith. She wanted him to get desperate. She's not sympathetic that there's a rift between the brothers, she's happy about it. Heck, she's half the reason there is one. And, yep, I think she's working with/for Lucifer, too. I also am now torn between whether Sam or Dean should kill her. I just think one of them needs to---NOW!!! Shoot, Bobby can kill her...I just want her gone! Oh, yeah, the angels can't be trusted either. That's why Sam and Dean need to stop listening to everybody else and start working together. They are stronger together than apart. Well, we all know, he did defy John... So we now know, Dean can break the vow to the angels and defy God.YES to this!!! i have to wonder if that's why Cas said it to Dean that way (kind of like what he did when giving Dean the info about Chuck and his archangel). Is he giving Dean a way out, a way around whatever it is heaven (and whoever is in charge) will want him to do? I have to say, this morning I have a little less dislike for Sam. He's an addict, and he refuses to admit he has a problem. He's not stronger, not really. He's weaker--he's relying on a drug to make him feel this way. He wants so badly for Dean to trust him, the only problem is, by "trusting" Sam, Dean has to trust his dealer. Sam is so blinded by this addiction. So, once again, Dean's family walks out on him (yeah, I know he gave him the ultimatum, but I don't for a minute think Sam was going to stay anyways). I hope this rift isn't the storyline for all of season 5--Dean chasing an evil Sam and all. I hope they start repairing their relationship and working together, although I do want to see Dean not feel guilty about what has happened with Sam, and I want to see Sam take responsibility for his actions and work to regain his brother's trust. I still want to see Dean do the walking out, though (such a nice view! ). I'm really afraid for the character of Sam, though. I so hope the writers have this plotted out and know how they are going to redeem him. I think the writers may be on a slippery slope where Sam is concerned. I think it's risky to take one of your two main leads and have them go evil, which is why I hope they resolve this part of the story quickly. The longer Sam is darkside, the harder I fear it will be to redeem him.
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Post by yor on May 8, 2009 23:20:34 GMT 1
BTW... I totally hate Ruby too. I was cheering Dean on to kill her. I know she's manipulating Sam. I want the bitch dead.
However, I'm also with Bobby. I think there's something too Sam's powers. I think the Angels know it too, which is why they actually do want Sam hopped up. I think they are using him as well. I think they need him to do something as well.
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Post by mick on May 9, 2009 0:19:27 GMT 1
I want the bitch dead.
So much!!!!!
Yep, I have to agree about the angels as well. I wonder if maybe that's what Cas was going to tell Dean in the last episode, before he was called back and disciplined. I don't think he knew about Sam's role at the beginning, but maybe he found out and was going to let Dean know. Cas--heck, heaven--knows what Dean would do for Sam. Maybe that's also why Cas chose the words about obeying heaven like obeying John?
I'm afraid that somehow this is all going to come back to (what I hated to begin with!) the whole thing from John--"save him or kill him."
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Post by Silwyna on May 9, 2009 14:04:34 GMT 1
I loved it! Heartbreaking and intense and totally awesome!
Oh, boy, but what a find Colin Ford is! I LOVED the scenes with adult-Sam and kid-Sam. I think that kid could have a big future ahead of him. That scene and the very last one were the two that really got to me.
Totally agree. The kid has great talent!
Cas--what are you doing??? I really thought it was Anna that let Sam out. Speaking of, what is the point of her?
I've been wondering that for a while. She pops up, has a few words that don't really tell us anything new and disappears again. Why???
killing Lilith won't stop the apocalypse, it'll start it. Not only that, when she was talking about Lucifer's first (which, I didn't 100% get), I think she was talking about Sam. Maybe that's the last seal.
I also think that Lilith's death will be the last seal. Lucifer's first - I think that's the first human Lucifer turned into a demon after he fell from heaven. And Lilith is that first, I think. (and did I understood it right that she's EATING BABIES???)
Also, now wonder if heaven wants to stop the apocalypse, or do they want to start it and have the final battle? Why was Cas ordered to let Sam go?
I think he let Sam go as some kind of back-up plan. If Dean can't end the apocalypse, he hopes that Sam will.
Btw, when Castiel freed Sam, we had the worst thunder storm here. It went dark within moments, temperature dropped around 6 degrees, it rained like hell and the thunder seemed right on top of us. Scary!
I think that Sam and Dean are going to stop the apocalypse together. Dean is supposed to stop it because he started it; I think the way he's going to stop it is by helping Sam do so.
We know the Angels can't be trusted either. Look at what's his name shutting Chuck up when he wanted to warn Sam and Dean. I also believe they want things to happen and they boys should have stopped listening to others.
I also think they need to stop listening to angels and demons. Both sides want to use the boys for their cause and they don't care what will happen to Sam and Dean in the end, not even the angels.
JB and I agreed last week, we wanted to see Dean kill Ruby. Course, now I want to see Sam ultimately do it.
I don't really care who kills Ruby ... as long as someone does and we won't have to see her again in Season 5!
The choking was to prove his point. He didn't intend to kill Dean. He meant to prove his point, that he was stronger and could control himself.
I think so too.
They are stronger together than apart.
YES!
YES to this!!! i have to wonder if that's why Cas said it to Dean that way (kind of like what he did when giving Dean the info about Chuck and his archangel). Is he giving Dean a way out, a way around whatever it is heaven (and whoever is in charge) will want him to do?
I love this! I really, really hope you're right about it!
I think it's risky to take one of your two main leads and have them go evil, which is why I hope they resolve this part of the story quickly. The longer Sam is darkside, the harder I fear it will be to redeem him.
I don't think Sam is evil yet. He's on his best way to end up evil, but he's not there yet, IMO. I also think that, once Lilith is dead and Sam doesn't really have that justification anymore to drink demon blood, that - with Dean at his side - he'll be strong enough to beat his addiction.
BTW... I totally hate Ruby too. I was cheering Dean on to kill her. I know she's manipulating Sam. I want the bitch dead.
Amen to that!
However, I'm also with Bobby. I think there's something too Sam's powers. I think the Angels know it too, which is why they actually do want Sam hopped up. I think they are using him as well. I think they need him to do something as well.
I agree!
Yep, I have to agree about the angels as well. I wonder if maybe that's what Cas was going to tell Dean in the last episode, before he was called back and disciplined.
Ooh, good thought!
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Post by xwacky on May 9, 2009 22:40:21 GMT 1
Hi guys {{waving}} Sorry I haven't been around here more often. I typed up my reaction to this episode at my LJ yesterday. I'm too lazy to retype everything, so here is the link xwacky.livejournal.com/29404.htmlI agree. This episode feels like the first part of a 2 parter where everything is basically a setup for the next one. Cas' action confused me last night. And I have a feeling Anna is going to play an important role in the next episode. No, Dean would be livid if he finds out what Cas had done. Hear, hear! Isn't that the truth. In some way, I feel this is the episode everyone betrays Dean. Sam walking out on him obviously, then Cas go behind his back right after he promise he'd help Dean. Even Bobby did a little by suggesting to let Sam join the fight and drink more demon blood. (btw yor, are you AL?!) Hmmm, I didn't see it that way, I admit. For a minute there, he didn't look like he was in control. He looked like he was someone else altogether. But then, the Sam we know returned, and hastily withdrew his hands... Hee, I'll join the choir too. Heartbreaking and intense for sure. But I don't think this is the episode I can re-watch. It's too much for me. As soon as it was over, I feel the urge to break out older episodes where the brothers were all for each other. Yup! Eeeeeeeewwwww... I like that theory. Yeah, the brothers fighting on the same side...me like!
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Post by yor on May 9, 2009 22:48:53 GMT 1
Yep, AL is Yor... More split personalities. Sybil has nothing on me!
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Post by mick on May 10, 2009 1:11:17 GMT 1
did I understood it right that she's EATING BABIES???From what I've read on TWOP when discussing Lilith (because I do not know demon-lore or anything), apparently, yes, she would do that, and that she would also go after children to kill them (from what I read, she was supposedly Adam's first wife, who was exiled, and then ended up going after kids as revenge or something like that--I'm sure that's not quite right as it's been a while since I read about it). Btw, when Castiel freed Sam, we had the worst thunder storm hereThat's freaky! I don't think Sam is evil yetTrue, but I still think the writers need to be really careful at how they handle everything. I also don't want them white-washing his actions. I think he needs to be held accountable for what he's done and rise from it. I also want to see Dean hold him accountable and not just automatically forgive him. The trust has to be rebuilt. Sam's choices led him to where he is--no one forced him to drink the blood, to let it get this far, to lie to his brother (as much as he wants to give excuses about why he did it, the point is, he still chose it). I typed up my reaction to this episode at my LJ yesterdayGlad to see you here again! I also posted at your LJ! For a minute there, he didn't look like he was in control. Yep, I agree. He's losing himself. He looked like he was someone else altogetherOr something else ... (sorry, I couldn't resist!)
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Post by Silwyna on May 10, 2009 9:25:25 GMT 1
And I have a feeling Anna is going to play an important role in the next episode.
She better! That at least would explain her random appearances *grumble*
From what I've read on TWOP when discussing Lilith (because I do not know demon-lore or anything), apparently, yes, she would do that, and that she would also go after children to kill them (from what I read, she was supposedly Adam's first wife, who was exiled, and then ended up going after kids as revenge or something like that--I'm sure that's not quite right as it's been a while since I read about it).
Wait, Adam from "Adam and Eve" Adam? Would that make Lilith the first female human then? I'm confused ...
More split personalities.
Sybil has nothing on me!
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Post by yor on May 10, 2009 13:47:16 GMT 1
Wait, Adam from "Adam and Eve" Adam? Would that make Lilith the first female human then? I'm confused
Does that mean Sam is supposed to be her Adam? ?Except she knows she's not going to survive.
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