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Post by mick on Oct 28, 2008 12:17:24 GMT 1
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Post by malokitty on Oct 28, 2008 21:11:34 GMT 1
Arbor day. I definitely just got a picture of the boys fighting the evil trees from the wizard of oz that throw apples.
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Post by mick on Oct 28, 2008 21:48:40 GMT 1
I definitely just got a picture of the boys fighting the evil trees from the wizard of oz that throw apples.
LOL--yeah, I visions of giant trees with their tree-limb arms grabbing people and such!
And St Patrick's Day--gotta watch out for those little leprechauns! There was a horror movie years ago about a killer leprechaun (I never saw it, but I remember it).
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Post by mick on Oct 31, 2008 3:29:27 GMT 1
Hmmm, I have mixed feelings about this one. This is just my immediate reaction... Why did the boys change their aliases? In one scene, Dean introduced himself as "Agent Seager," then in another as something else. I would think they would want to keep their aliases the same in case anyone in the town decided to compare notes! Uriel--I have to say, I like this guy. I think the actor that played him was perfect. Uriel means business--he's one scary angel. I could feel the tension in the room between Sam, Dean, and the angels. I also think that Castiel realised in that scene that Dean is remembering hell. And, if I were Sam, I think I would be somewhat afraid of Uriel. That was one scary mask that Dean was looking at--it gave me the chills! I loved how Sam acted when he met Castiel. FOr a second, I thought Castiel wasn't going to shake his hand! I could hear Sam thinking, "Thanks for saving my brother," and I could also see how--I don't the right word--humbled, honored, he was to meet an angel, especially given his faith. BUt then, in the scene in the car after, he's starting to question his faith, and I fel so badly for him. The look on his face said it all. I LOL at all the candy wrappers! How did Dean clean the car? Why didn't we get a scene of the boys in one-layer waching her? ? Yay to the suits!!!! I knew Sam was going to use his powers, but this demon was one bad-you-know-what if doing so caused the headache and his nose to bleed. After "Metamorphisis" and what Ruby said in that, I'm guessing that using his powers causes that until he overcomes the level demon? In other words, the more powerful demon, the more difficult and painful to Sam. I wonder now, though, since he's exorcised a more powerful demon, if it'll be easier? I also liked the white-light effect. Good continuity. But I have to wonder why Dean didn't just run up, grab the knife, and stab the guy??? Loved th Dean/Castiel scene. I wonder if what Castiel told him about the angels having to listen to him is considered a secret, a la the secrets that Sam has kept in the past? Although, and angel did make him promise not to tell, so... Okay, so does that last conversation mean that Dean is suppose to be the leader of the angels and Sam the leader of the demons? Is this foreshadowing for a brother vs brother thing? The razor blade thing was gross! I loved how Castiel brought John into the conversation when Dean was questioning thei angels' orders! What I didn't like (and, this is probably going to be a rant, but it really bothered me!)...I can't stand it when the writers give us super-smart Sammy and dumb-Dean! Why can't they write both boys as intelligent? I mean, Sam was a law major, and he knows what a burned bone of a baby over 100 years old is? Dean doesn't know the origin of Halloween? Come on, this has been his life's work. I mean, he hunted on his own! How did he survive that? It just botehrs me when they make Sam the exposistion guy and make Dean look like he's jus some bumbling side kick. Why can't they write both boys knowing what's going on, instead of one always asking the questions and one knowing all the answers? [rant over] Hey, do you thin Dean will say anything to Sam, or will they avoid it all together? I also thought the flapping wings sound was cool! Overall, I think this moved the myth arc forward a bit, and I loved the addition of the new angel. They're adding layers to what is right and wrong and how one decides. Jensen and Jared were so good--once again, it's a travisty that they are overlooked come awards season. And they looked hot! (although I still want my car-washing scene!)
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Post by yor on Oct 31, 2008 4:52:15 GMT 1
I don't know what's more annoying... Having the kids and having to wait until I get home to watch OR tonight. The kids both got in SO much trouble they BOTH had to be in bed by 8pm and I could watch BUT their parents came home in the middle! Initial thoughts... It didn't leave me with "omg omg omg", but I still loved it. "It's halloween man." I was minutely bothered by Dean's statement. "Don't be a downer." I suspect Halloween has always been a problem for Sam... And it is the anniversary of Jess' death. Although from a candy stand-point, Dean is in HEAVEN. Ghosts? Zombies? Leprechauns? Hey! Those little dudes... *giggling* And nice to know Dean would come back as a hot cheerleader! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE SAM MEETING CASTIEL! He's SO SAM. So sweet and excited... How could he be evil!!! "Oh my God, I mean.." Hee hee heee... Playing the Daddy card was SO LOW! I think I'm going to yell "Astronaut" more than "eye of the Tiger." For all we know, God hates these Jerks... giggle giggle You KNOW Dean is COMPLETELY freaking out when Sam starts messing with the blood. "You gave it a shot?" Reminded me of "Route 66" when Dean finds out Sam wasn't sure about the sacred ground and wants to kill Sam. ONE of my favorite moments. IT was a nice throw back moment for me. There was a flaw to Dean's logic. IF he was THAT concerned about Sam using his powers, he could have followed after Sam once he freed the kids. (Although with the week I've had with kids, I wouldn't mind offering a few to sacrifice for Samhain. Was that too harsh?) If the demon Samhain releases were supposed to follow him, they would have gone after him too, so they all would have ended up in the same place anyway. Does that make sense? I LOVED the demon ray gun stuff not working on Sam... HOT! I was initially thinking the headache could easily come from FIGHTING!!! Dean got demon slammed again! Zombie Ghost Orgie... That's it. I'm torchin' everybody... He wasn't before? I wish Sam's attack had taken more out of him. I needed him to maybe fall to his knees? He's too strong. Dean's scared. I loved their mutual eye contact across the room. I loved more Sam's eye drop after meeting Deans. Ugh. In a way, Sam was right. I don't believe they would have gotten close enough to use the knife. I don't like new badass angel, but I do... Don't mess with my man. I don't know that I have seen enough to say Dean's being set up to be Lead Angel... I can buy him being Tested... Was he really worth the effort kinda thing... I do like Castiel... We're all works of art, after all! So, Mick's new theme song is "working at the car wash..." I'm hoping my lightening struck Sammy is but a vision next week... I shall resist spoilers though... aRGH!
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Post by mick on Oct 31, 2008 19:53:00 GMT 1
followed after Sam once he freed the kidsI saw it more as he couldn't since all the dead were rising. If he let them go, what would stop them from heading out into the streets and start terrorizing people? And, Sam did tell him he would handle Samhein. If Dean went immediately after him, then we would of had the whole "you didn't trust me" thing, possibly. Plus, I have to wonder how far away they actually were from each other. You can't really tell as they keep intercutting with both boys, but it could have been far enough that Dean wouldn't have had time. I don't believe they would have gotten close enough to use the knife.But he did. Instead of swinging it up the way he did, though, I don't know why he just didn't come from under. Of course, if he did that, then the writers wouldn't have been able to have him use his powers! I don't like new badass angel, but I do... Don't mess with my man. Upon rewatching the end scene with Uriel and Sam, I think he had the best arguement of all--Sam knows that the demon who gave him his powers killed his mother and girlfriend. Why would he want to use them? Of course, I'm sure Sam's arguement would be something like how he's taking something bad and making it good, kind of getting that last laugh, using demon-given powers to get rid of demons, that kind of thing. I think he's just slid a little further down that slippery slope Dean warned him about, though. I don't know that I have seen enough to say Dean's being set up to be Lead AngelWell, if they are going the brother vs brother route (which is something I've thought might happen), then what better way then to have them on opposite sides. We've known for a while that YED wanted Sam to lead his demon army. If Dean is to lead the angels, then you have the brother conflict. Now, I don't necessarily want to see this, but I can see this as one route Kripke may take. I mean, there was a reason Dean was tested. I did like that he told Castiel that he would make the same decision over again if given the chance. I wonder if that's what he was being tested for--to see if, after 40 years of hell, if he was still willing to put his life on the line for a bunch of strangers.
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Post by Silwyna on Oct 31, 2008 21:33:14 GMT 1
Awesome episode!!! I also loved the scene when Sam met Castiel. He was so happy and in awe! The more tragic it was later in the car, when he was utterly disappointed and started doubting his faith. I think maybe that's why he was more open to use his powers against Samhain? Because suddenly the fact that angels are against him using them isn't as bad anymore as before. I totally loved the Impala scene. I so wished we could have gotten a scene with Dean meating the Astronaut kid again LOL I liked Uriel. The man is SCARY! I loved his talk with Sam in the end. I can't say the same about Castiel's talk with Dean ... it was a bit too much, I think. But I have to wonder why Dean didn't just run up, grab the knife, and stab the guy???I think he was too shocked to see Sam using his powers; he probably couldn't think quite clearly in that moment. Okay, so does that last conversation mean that Dean is suppose to be the leader of the angelsI don't think they'll have to follow his orders all the time, just this once to see what he'd decide. I can't really see Dean being the leader of Angels. I can't stand it when the writers give us super-smart Sammy and dumb-Dean!I don't see it like this at all. Yes, it might be strange that Dean didn't know about the roots of Halloween, but they needed to explain this to the audience (us), so it makes sense (it's the same when Dean told Sam about rocksalt rounds in Season 1). But Sam knowing about 100 year old baby bones is so SAM! He LOVES research, so much more than Dean. His free time lecture is probably lots of old books to learn this stuff. So I can totally see him know about certain things that Dean has never heard of. But that doesn't make Dean dumb and I don't think that's what the writers had in mind. Hey, do you thin Dean will say anything to Sam, or will they avoid it all together?I had been waiting for that!!!!! I hope we'll get it in the next episode! I suspect Halloween has always been a problem for Sam... And it is the anniversary of Jess' death.It's also the anniversary of Mary's death, so it can't be just November 2nd why Sam resents Halloween (he already disliked it before Jess' death), otherwise it would drag Dean down too, I think. "You gave it a shot?" Reminded me of "Route 66"Me too! I LOVED that! I wonder if Sam is doing this more often. It must drive Dean crazy LOL If the demon Samhain releases were supposed to follow him, they would have gone after him too, so they all would have ended up in the same place anyway. Does that make sense?I think they meant more follow his orders, not follow him around wherever he goes. So it did make sense for Dean to stay and fight the zombies (I totally loved the Zombies!!!!! I once started a story with Sam and Dean in a morgue having to fight Zombies LOL), instead of going after Sam. Though it must have been hard for him, I guess he feared that Sam would use his powers if the knife thing didn't work. I wish Sam's attack had taken more out of him. I needed him to maybe fall to his knees?I thought the same. He looked to be in so much pain and then he was just standing there as if he was totally fine (except the blood on his face, of course). Of course, I'm sure Sam's arguement would be something like how he's taking something bad and making it good, kind of getting that last laugh, using demon-given powers to get rid of demons, that kind of thing. I think he's just slid a little further down that slippery slope Dean warned him about, though. Somehow I hope that Sam is right with his attitute. That he IS strong enough to control his powers. That he won't turn evil and only use his powers against demons. Maybe this "like a switch" that turned Ava and Jake only happened because they used their powers against humans? Sam never did that. He only uses them against the evil guys, to save others. As long as he sticks to that (and I'm sure he will, he always was against hurting humans), I think he's save.
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Post by mick on Oct 31, 2008 22:58:45 GMT 1
Yes, it might be strange that Dean didn't know about the roots of Halloween, but they needed to explain this to the audience (us), so it makes sense
But, he also didn't know about Christmas (I say that because I just watched that one the other night). I get that they have to tell the audience, but I wish they could do it in a way where both boys look like they know something, instead of Sam always being the "exposition" fairy. In season 1, yes, Dean had that job, but that was more believable to me because he'd been hunting longer, and Sam had stopped for a few years. It still bothers me. Once Sam started going on and Dean kept acting like he didn't know anything, the more irritated I got. It seems to be more of a habit with the writers--when they have to tell the audience something, it's Sam who does the talking and Dean who's acting like he doesn't know anything. Or, if Bobby's in the episode, it's Bobby who knows everything and both boys who know nothing.
I still think, of all the holidays, Dean should have known about Halloween. I can't believe that John never told Dean anything about it, especially given what they do.
I thought the same. He looked to be in so much pain and then he was just standing there as if he was totally fine
But, he probably knew how to handle it, as it wasn't the first time he's felt it. If we're to take "Metamorphisis" for the truth, when he exorcised that demon, he no longer had the headaches (or so he told Ruby), which to me sounded like that was a recent event. Plus, I don't think he's going to show that pain to Dean. He already knows how Dean feels about it. I'm sure he's feeling pretty guilty, too, since Dean saw him. I see him more going into the bathroom--alone--at the hotel room to deal with the pain. He's not going to give Dean more ammunition to use (ie "not only do the powers come from an evil source, but they're hurting you, Sam" kind of thing). Both boys tend to suffer in silence.
I think he was too shocked to see Sam using his powers; he probably couldn't think quite clearly in that moment.
Yeah, I kind of figured as much, but I still couldn't help but mentally urge him on to get the knife so Sam wouldn't use the powers.
I still don't think the powers are good, and I still think Sam is going to come dangerously close to crossing the line to the evil side. I think, in the end, he will be saved, but it's getting there that's the trouble.
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Post by yor on Nov 1, 2008 3:50:53 GMT 1
Ok, I'll admit it. I don't like the whole "Brother v Brother" thing because of course, Dean will win and be the hero. harumph. Why can't Sam be under cover? *pouting* Mick... I had a "duh" moment about the knife. If the demon powers can't touch him then of course, he walks up and knifes him, but why was it then, that early Sam did get whammied? Sam is only unaffected when he accesses some level of his powers? So would that be allowed? I dunno anymore... I think I need to stop evaluating and guessing, shut up and just sit tight for the ride.
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Post by malokitty on Nov 1, 2008 4:11:59 GMT 1
"Yeah, that demon ray gun thing doesn't work on me." I think this was a more questions episode, like it answered very few questions, and raised a lot more. The whole razor blades in the candy thing is a lot more disturbing if you missed the episode thursday (to watch Rocky Horror Picture Show) and are watching it on halloween while eating trick or treating candy. I kind of don't want the brother vs brother conflict, either they'll both die, Dean will win and Sam will doe or be converted to good, or Hell will win. Uriel kind of annoys me. I like the whole badass, general, kill one for the benefit of the whole (I'm having flashbacks to reading Julius Caesar), but he needs to be a little less ominous. He also needs to cut Sam a little slack. I mean Sam's grandparents and dad died so Azazel could make the deal with Mary, then Mary gets killed by Azazel, Jess dies, John dies, and Deans dies. Sam really has had not a lot of control over his own life. He is just trying to help people with his powers and now he's being told the minute he's no longer useful he's going to be killed? Little harsh. To just screw with the angels I think Dean should go darkside and Sam use his demons powers for good, or flip the whole situation. Like make the angels the actual evil ones and the demons the good guys. To be quite honest I don't like where this season is going so far...
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Post by yor on Nov 1, 2008 13:18:51 GMT 1
I like Dean going darkside! I have to ask though... Where are your priorities? I mean, Rocky Horror is indeed a great classic. I commend you for watching, BUT MISSING THE BOYS FOR IT?
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Post by Silwyna on Nov 1, 2008 13:34:07 GMT 1
Really, Malo, what were you thinking? But, he also didn't know about ChristmasI think, the lore Dean knows about is mostly related to something he can hunt. And there isn't much hunt worthy about Santa, so I can see him not knowing about the origins. And before Sam told Dean about it, he looked it all up on the internet. He did his research before he knew about it.
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Post by malokitty on Nov 1, 2008 14:17:17 GMT 1
Well Rocky started at 8 so by the time the boys came on the movie was already half over. I was watching it with my mother as well, and I knew I could watch the boys the next day. I did feel a little guilty for missing the premiere of the episode though,
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Post by mick on Nov 1, 2008 18:11:00 GMT 1
As for "dark Dean," I've read quite a bit of speculation about that. I've read posts where viewers think that's the way it's going, that Kripke is going for the whole "bait and switch" kind of thing, but then people against it argue that it would belittle Sam's story since he's the one we've been hearing about for 3 years going darkside. Honestly, I think Kripke is in a tough spot--he's not going to make everyone happy. I have read so much Sam vs Dean stuff it makes my head hurt (well, more like Sam fans vs Dean fans) that it gives me a headache. Yor, I don't think necessarily if he goes the brother vs brother thing that Dean will end up the hero and Sam won't. If Sam can overcome the evil the powers bring, in my book, that makes him a hero as well. It may depend on what definition of "hero" we're talking about...the "what makes a hero" kind of thing. Unfortunately, I also don't think Sam is undercover. We've been hearing since season 2 about his "destiny," and I think that's what we're seeing now. The difference is, before this season, Dean never really had a "destiny," but with Castiel raising him from hell, he now apparently has one as well. I have to wonder if Dean's decision is eventually going to involve him choosing between Sam and something else, though. Castiel's whole "the weight on your shoulders" thing sounded kind of ominous. I think the weight is more now than what he had from John. As for Uriel and Sam, I'm not surprised he didn't show Sam any compassion or understanding. He doesn't come across as a very compassionate angel. I think he's more "Smite now, never question." I think he thinks Sam is useful because he knows that if they do anything to Sam, Dean will so not be on their side, and he knows that Dean is wanted for something. I do think that Kripke is muddying the waters, so to speak. Are the angels right, or is Ruby? Which side is the right side to be on in this coming war they keep talking about? Do we sympathize with Sam and his issues, or Dean and his issues? The only problem with it is that, at a coupe of sites I've been to, the fans seem to be choosing sides as well (which is why I love it here--everyone respects everyone else's opinions. Even if we don't agree, there's still respect . I also don't want to see a brother vs brother, but I've felt for a while now that this is where Kripke is going. He may not go all the way with it--he may stop it before it gets to an all out battle--but I can the see the story getting pretty close to it. And, according to a few interviews I've read/seen with Jared, it appears he would like to see this as well. I wonder what Jensen thinks about it?
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Post by Silwyna on Nov 1, 2008 22:39:30 GMT 1
Castiel's whole "the weight on your shoulders" thing sounded kind of ominous. I think the weight is more now than what he had from John.I think it was Yor who said that Dean might have made a deal in hell. Maybe he made some kind of deal with heaven? To pull him out? He might have promised them to do something - something Dean would have never agreed to if he hadn't been in hell. Uriel might have meant that when he told Sam to ask Dean what he remembers from hell. That's just one of a million of theories though *g* As for brother vs. brother ... I don't think (and HOPE) that it will ever going to come to this. My theory on this: Things will get worse between Sam and Dean, but just before they'll get too worse, they remember what they have in each other and they'll put it behind them. And then they'll kick some ass and they'll win this war and all their issues combined will help them with it. which is why I love it here--everyone respects everyone else's opinions. Even if we don't agree, there's still respectI love that too I'm so VERY glad you all joined me here. We're a wonderful little group and I always love coming here and talking with you about the show You guys are the BEST!
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