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Post by Silwyna on Oct 7, 2008 10:22:12 GMT 1
Great, now I want to see it too! And I don't even like gross. ;D
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Post by yannik on Oct 7, 2008 12:15:14 GMT 1
I will strongly believe these were strawberries. And I need to watch it again at home - with sound this time.
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Post by yor on Oct 10, 2008 0:04:20 GMT 1
Less than TWO hours...
Twelve MINUTES...
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Post by yor on Oct 10, 2008 2:32:44 GMT 1
um, no strawberries!!!
And can I just say, I LOVE my man more than ever! WAY TO HOLD YOUR GROUND!
I love Sam... I love Sam... GO Sam... Take that Dean... I love Sam... I love Sam... I love Sam... I love Sam... I love Sam... I love Sam... I love Sam... I love Sam...
I love this episode... Jared's EXPRESSIONS? I'm sorry... we always know the boys are awesome, but Jensen usually gets the nods... There is NO WAY Jared can't get some of 'dat. HE ROCKED THIS!
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Post by malokitty on Oct 10, 2008 3:03:35 GMT 1
Parallelism? Is that the word for this episode? Like Jack is to Sam as Travis is to Walker. I like the fact Dean found out Sam and Ruby's nighttime escapades in the first two minutes, usually we have to wait a lot longer. Nice Travis, Nice. Great job. If this is supposed to be like Sam does this mean Dean's going to almost be killed and Sam's going to save him by going evil? Sam locked in a closet while Dean is going to be killed? Having flashbacks... Awww Sammy, stay away from the dark pit! (Don't go into the light = don't die, don't fall into the dark pit = don't go dark side?) Pregnant wife with ruguru child still on the loose, oops on that one. Love the way Sam said Angels, like 'Pffh, like I care what they think.'
Oh and at the beginning did anyone catch the headache thing? Sam says the headache went away after he used his powers? I think Sam still has some secrets.
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Post by yor on Oct 10, 2008 3:09:57 GMT 1
I thought it was strange they weren't addressing the headache. Makes me wonder if the headaches will get worse because he's blocking / avoiding the powers? Travis was a bit odd to me. I don't like a hunter so friendly he's hug worthy? Why not just make him a casual, old acquaintance? Love this scene... Sam's reflection in the window... GRAB MY HEART.. It doesn't matter, these powers. It's playing with fire. I'm done with 'em. I'm done with everything.I have expected him to mean, done hunting... I'm not doing it for you... The EXPRESSION was OFF THE CHARTS on that!!! I'm a happy Sam girl... Can you tell? Of course, it won't be that easy will it Sam?
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Post by malokitty on Oct 10, 2008 3:29:17 GMT 1
I think they made Travis just to kill him off. Travis said it had been a long time and Sam had gotten a lot taller, so maybe he was a friend of John's or past partner? Though, they didn't mention John once.
Sam may have the same problem as Jack. An alcoholic sitting in a bar trying not to drink beer. Like maybe until Sam kills someone with his powers, he won't be permanently on the darkside, but when he does there's no going back.
I'm glad they finally decide to talk about the demon blood thing, seeing it hadn't been confronted yet, and we found out over a season ago.
Has anything ever been easy on Sam? I'm a happy Sam girl too, this episode almost makes up for the lack of Sam in, ITB. Almost.
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Post by mick on Oct 10, 2008 3:30:01 GMT 1
Well, I'm kind of "meh" on this one. I think it started out great--I could feel the tension between Sam and Dean (but, can we please get rid of Ruby??? or, if we have to keep her, can she find a different meatsuit?? ugh!). Then, back at the hotel room, talk about emotions! Both Jared and Jensen were on fire tonight! As far as the rest of the episode goes, I feel like "been there, done that." We've already had an episode with Sam locked in a closet with Dean's life in danger, we've had many with Sam having to face the evil in him because of something they are hunting, not being able to save the evil thing they are hunting, even though they want to (and explaining to the "monster" what is going on with them). The ending left me cold--the conversation felt off to me. And I don't for one minute believe that Sam won't ever again use his powers. This is so going to end up a brother against brother thing. I loved that Dean told Sam everything about his "trip," and I loved how Sam got caught in yet another lie/withholding information. I think Dean is going to have some serious trust issues when it comes to Sam. Right now I don't see either boy really listening to the other--they both have very strong opinions about their side of things. What exactly have Sam and Ruby been doing in the dark? My head hurts from the anvils hitting it! ;D
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Post by yor on Oct 10, 2008 3:41:02 GMT 1
oh my goods... rewatching again....
The "You were gone... I was here" scene... The TEAR in Jared's eye... the glimmer... MY HEART
Gads... the innocent hurt look as Dean tells Sam what Castiel said? holy hell... MY MAN !!!
Love that Dean told Sam... "Mom a hunter?"
Dean's holier than thou attitude is good, but so hard to watch. I want to SMACK him... "Dean, you've just sold your soul for my life. How about I worry you even more?"
Then, Sam's expression when Dean says, "Nothing more important than family." Again, I wanted to SMACK DEAN. (In a good way... I'm NOT Dean-hating.)
Love it when he tells Dean to stop the car. The whole scene is so intense... It's the smack I've been wanting to give Dean... as I'm sure Sam did too.
Again, the PAIN in Sam's face and expression when they arrive at the house and Sam see's they're too late. "I guess you were right about Jack."
How'd you like to be the actor playing Jack? He was SO gross at the end!
Jensen's eyelashes as he wakes to the flames? Hubba hubba!
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Post by yannik on Oct 10, 2008 18:52:12 GMT 1
I always knew that the horror part of this show could put me off, but frankly I didn't mind it since... around "Wendigo"? What can I say...
Plus the anvils? Mick, my head is hurting too. I don't like the parallel stories, I hated that episode with a vampire who told Sam how important a family was to Dean. And here? Bleh. At least no one pretended the anvils weren't there; Dean did the comparing, but does the awareness of the stupidity of the plot really lessen the said stupidity?
Okay, I'll just ignore the whole Rugaru thing.
The Dean/Sam scenes? Let me just say that it's worth sitting through the horrory part to see five minutes of the Winchester goodness. I'll add more when kids are asleep. ;D
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Post by yor on Oct 10, 2008 19:29:06 GMT 1
Yannik, I almost ALWAYS ignore the "monster" of the week part of the episodes... As far as the rest of the episode goes, I feel like "been there, done that." We've already had an episode with Sam locked in a closet with Dean's life in danger, we've had many with Sam having to face the evil in him because of something they are hunting, not being able to save the evil thing they are hunting, even though they want to (and explaining to the "monster" what is going on with them). I think though, the intensity level was SO much higher because everything was for the most part in the open now... Yeah, we've seen this before... But in the closet before, Sam used his powers. In this closet, he picked the lock. Of course Sam won't be able to ignore the powers, but I believe he will try... I believe he wants to. Like I said, I seriously expected Sam to try getting out again. I could have seen him say, "screw it. Dean, go play with your angel.. I'm out of this." I can't believe he wouldn't get to the point where he says, f-it. I can't seem to do anything that's right, so I'm out of here. It isn't worth it. Let Dean and the Angel's handle it. I mean, Dean doesn't trust him... The angel's don't trust him... Who has faith in Sam other than Sam and ME??? The ending left me cold--the conversation felt off to me.To me, that's why it was brilliant... Sure, it was easy for them each to say, 'ok this is over.' BUT they both know and we all know, it isn't. I guess I'm as excited for this episode as many were for last weeks... Mick, what did you mean by this? What exactly have Sam and Ruby been doing in the dark?Do you think Sam is still keeping secrets? Do you think he's doing evil? Hmmm... I don't like thinking this about my man... I'm putting my blinders on.
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Post by yannik on Oct 10, 2008 20:26:25 GMT 1
Oh boy, the boys. That first scene at the motel was unbelievably emotional and I think both J's kicked ass. At first though, I thought there was something off with JA's acting. I dunno, the voice? All gruff and darkly. He's getting to angsty for my tastes. I mean I like angst, I really do, but in fanfiction. What happen to that all-fun-and-chicks guy? He's a little too serious.
But that was at the beginning of the scene, then everything was awesome. Sam broke my heart with all "you were dead and I had to keep on going." I knew that, it was maybe anvilicious, but the way he sold it? *THUD!*, really.
Dean and "God doesn't want you doing it"? Seriously, WTF? This is the guy who didn't believe in God two weeks ago? I will keep that strong belief that Kripke knows what he's doing with Dean here, because otherwise--
Also what's the deal with Sam's headaches? Were they addressed earlier? Other than y'know, the visions in earlier seasons.
M'kay, gotta go to sleep, but I'll be back.
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Post by mick on Oct 11, 2008 0:35:54 GMT 1
but does the awareness of the stupidity of the plot really lessen the said stupidity?This seriously had me LOL!!!!!! Dean doesn't trust himI can't blame him, though. I mean, he flat out lied to Dean's face, told him in LR that he wasn't using his powers, even added the "it was your dying wish" part. Then, he sneaks out twice (that we know of) since his brother is back from hell, while his brother is sleeping. And he lied about Ruby. I think Dean has reason not to trust Sam. Honestly, I didn't care for the way the boys were written. Dean was harsh, and, even though I know I may get flamed for this (and you know I still love you girls, right?) I'm as sick of Sam's "Why me? I've got this demon blood inside of me" stuff as I am of Dean's "I'm worthless" issues. I really didn't care for Sam much in this--now, keep in mind, I think Jared totally sold it, and this was so his episode. I think this is some of the best work he's done throughout the whole series, but I felt like (through the writing) I was trying to be forced to feel sympathy for Sam, and after this episode, I don't. On other boards (not here!) I read where people didn't feel bad for Dean and the fact that he was going to hell--he made the deal knowing full well what he was getting into. Heck, I even wanted him to go because he made the deal, he should have to pay-up. Well, I feel the same way about Sam and his powers. Yes, he was in an awful place because Dean died for him (and, Dean made his deal because he was in an awful place over losing Sam). I know that Sam was without Dean for longer, but he knew how Dean felt about the powers, he knew they were from an evil place, and he chose that path. He knew Dean chose to face the hellhounds rather than have Sam use his powers like Ruby was teling him he could. Now, maybe if they show me why he chose that path, I'll have more sympathy for him. And, I can say that I had more sympathy for him before this episode. This one just did me in when it comes to that, and I personally blame the writing (and all the anvils hitting my head). Mick, what did you mean by this? What exactly have Sam and Ruby been doing in the dark?Well, are they, like you said, working on powers, or are consumating their relationship?
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Post by yor on Oct 11, 2008 1:44:09 GMT 1
or both? :eyebrows I'm not against Sam getting some action... Course not with Ruby in that meat suit... But back to thoughts... and no flames... *wink* You're a Dean girl... You can't help it. *giggle giggle... I was JOKING!** Yes, Dean has no reason to trust Sam. However, let the person who's not fibbed or twisted the truth to protect a loved one raise their hand... Dean was just back. I would have lied too. There was too much on the platter. Yep, no reason for complete trust. I'm curious... When I was reading spoilers ( grin) I read we would see and episode that would cover Sam's life during those four months. I can't wait for it. Could you imagine a scenario that would make it have been ok for Sam to start this path? I didn't mind the once more, "why me" from Sam, because (once again) since Dean now knows it all, he was finally in a position to really 'get it' for the first time. He condemned Sam but in truth has absolutely NO ability to understand Sam's point of view. Ultimately, I will always have more sympathy for Sam as he had no choice and no control over what was done to him or what will happen. He's doing the best he can with what he was given. His powers saved his life against Lilith and then he saw that he couldn't affect humans (unless that was a lie or maybe he hasn't tried... I think that will be the key to his 'bad' future).. He was doing good... Why wouldn't he try to take control of his destiny and do some good. I think I might have done the same thing. I am guessing we'll see, when we see Sam's 4 months, that he was backed into the corner and using the power was the only way out... Sure, maybe Ruby pushed him into the corner, but for now, under what I know, I don't blame him. Deathbed promises are unfair. My mom and her siblings promised my grandpa they'd never sell the farm... Things happened no one could predict and the farm had to be sold... The guilt kills them all. It was unfair. We can't be expected to live another person's desires. They don't live our lives... That whole 'walk a mile in my shoes' thing...
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Post by mick on Oct 11, 2008 2:28:10 GMT 1
he had no choice and no control over what was done to him or what will happen.See, now I agree that he had no control over what was done to him, but I do think he has control over what happens. If he doesn't, then I feel like we have nothing more that "victim Sam," and that's just not a story that interests me, because then all Kripke and company have to do to justify anything that Sam may do that is considered evil is say, "Well, he didn't have a choice." Yes, deathbed confessions are unfair, and it wasn't fair of Dean to ask that of Sam, but Sam flat-out threw it back in his face, and that's the part that bothered me. I think it was Sam's way of deflecting the question, to get Dean to stop asking--Sam's guilt was getting in the way, I think, and it was a natural reaction. I also get that Dean is just back and things are going on and Sam doesn't know how to tell Dean--but if it was such a "right" thing for him to do, why didn't he tell him eventually? NO ability to understand Sam's point of view.True, but he has always tried. In the past couple of seasons, when the powers thing has come up, Dean has always proven that he will support Sam no matter what. Heck, he flat-out refused to kill Sam in BUABS even when it appeared that Sam was going evil, which is part of the reason I never got his thing of Dean looking at him like he was a freak. Personally, I think that is one way Ruby has gotten to him--she said as much to him once--I think she is manipulating him more than he knows. And, I would love to see Dean give those words back to his brother if the hell memories come back! Dean and "God doesn't want you doing it"? Seriously, WTF? This is the guy who didn't believe in God two weeks ago?See, I saw this more as Dean throwing this in Sam's face--Sam has always said he believes in God, and now the God that he believes him is watching him and will stop him if he has to. Yep, I'm a Dean girl, but there were things in this episode about him that I didn't care for, either. I think he needs to try another tactic with Sam--more talking, less anger. I think Sam is somebody that needs words, not actions (visibly seen when Dean says that if Sam wasn't his brother, he would be hunting him). Although, Dean smashing the lamp was hot to me (yep, I'm sick)! I don't blame himSee, I do, just as I bamed Dean for making that deal, I think Sam had a choice. He may not have felt like he did, though. And I know people do things they may have never done when grieving, but, if he was backed into a corner, or Ruby manipulated him somehow, I think it was his choices that got him there (just as Dean's choices got him a trip to hell). I sincerely hope it's a good story that Kripke has planned, and not just a "victim Sam" thing, because I think it will lessen the character. ETA: You know, I would love it if one time, we could all be in the same room together watching, so we could actually talk to each other about the episode!
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