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Post by mick on Feb 19, 2009 20:26:10 GMT 1
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Post by Silwyna on Feb 20, 2009 16:02:49 GMT 1
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Post by mick on Feb 20, 2009 21:49:52 GMT 1
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Post by Silwyna on Feb 21, 2009 12:13:53 GMT 1
Sounds interesting. I look forward seeing Alastair again.
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Post by mick on Feb 21, 2009 16:50:33 GMT 1
I look forward to seeing Tessa again. I wonder if Dean will remember his little spirit walk thing he took in IMTOD?
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Post by yor on Mar 13, 2009 3:07:21 GMT 1
Hmmmm.... Part of me liked the episode and part of me didn't. Does that make sense?
I wanted to slap Sam. Duh, Dean knows what you're doing. But of course, you two must dance around the issue. Then again, I wanted to slap Dean for what he said in the diner.
I loved the kid. I liked Tessa. I liked the boys working together to figure things out. Dean's snarkiness is back, but it's not.
I've decided these guys are so screwed up, they can't be there for each other. It's impossible. The course is set.
I'm glad to be rid of Pamela. Honestly, when she pulled Sam in, I thought for sure she was going to cop a feel. I think it would have played better. I thought her whole guilt trip was just awkward.
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Post by mick on Mar 13, 2009 3:16:21 GMT 1
Then again, I wanted to slap Dean for what he said in the dinerOh, I'm not surprised he said it--I've been expecting some remark to that effect since Sam made the comment in the last episode. Dean doesn't talk about his feelings--when he's upset, that's how it comes out. It's not the way things should be handled, but I think it stayed true to the character. Yeah, Sam's not that good of a liar. He's not fooling anybody. So, does Dean now remember what happened with Tessa the first time? I liked seeing her back and tying IMTOD into it. I also liked the kid..he was a good actor. Is it me, or does this Allistair talk funny? And did anyone else's TV sound like there was an echo during the Dean and Castiel scene? Heh, Yor, I thought the same thing when Pamela pulled Sam in close! Very interesting what she did say to him, though. Even though the boys are working together, they are so far apart. ETA: RIP, Kim Manners.
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Post by Silwyna on Mar 13, 2009 16:59:06 GMT 1
I didn't like the boys walking around as spirits (and leaving their bodies defenseless, that was just dumb), but apart from that, it was a very good episode. I liked seeing Tessa again and the part with the boy, very good scenes. I've decided these guys are so screwed up, they can't be there for each other. It's impossible. The course is set. I agree. Then again, I wanted to slap Dean for what he said in the diner
Oh, I'm not surprised he said it--I've been expecting some remark to that effect since Sam made the comment in the last episode. Dean doesn't talk about his feelings--when he's upset, that's how it comes out. It's not the way things should be handled, but I think it stayed true to the character.But there was not really a reason for him to be upset in that moment. They were in a diner, talking about a possible case. I was surprised Dean brought it up like that. It felt wrong. Then again, from what Sam said, it sounded like he kept saying it a lot lately I won't miss Pamela, but I liked what she said to Sam in the end. Since she's a psychic, it makes sense that she can feel Sam's power. I loved how the angels captured Alistair! Very biblical.
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Post by mick on Mar 13, 2009 18:33:41 GMT 1
I didn't like the boys walking around as spirits
You know what I laughed at--when they were walking around as spirits outside, you could see the cold breath coming out of their mouths! If they were spirits, they wouldn't be breathing, I wouldn't think so, anyways.
But there was not really a reason for him to be upset in that moment
See, I got the feeling he never stopped being upset. I think those words went deep. But I have to give a "yay" for the continuity...at least the writers didn't foget about what happened in the last episode.
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Post by yor on Mar 14, 2009 0:17:30 GMT 1
I'm beginning to feel like the token rebel or oddball or whatever, here. Which is weird for me. I'm not used to being the person in the outs and that's odd for me. I'm ususally in with the rest of the crowd.
#1. I loved the spirit boys. I loved the opportunities it gave the boys. I almost wish they could have played it up more and they could have gained some spirit huntin' insight from it. I thought it was HYSTERICAL when Dean stuck his fist in Sam. At first, my thought was, "He's looking to see if Sam's heart is still there." SAdness. Then I just laughed and said, "This is the purest, good old fashioned fun Sam and Dean moment we've had in a LONG time."
Secondly, although I see your point about Dean's reaction in the diner being continuity; it's just him lying as well. He isn't over it but he won't say it out loud. Of course they won't. Yes, Sam doesn't get to say anything as he is keeping things from Dean. But Sam had done nothing in that conversation to warrant that outburst. He was relaying information and asking Dean's opinion, and functioning in the mode they would have in the past. That was Dean's insecurity talking. Which HAS grown worse, in my opinion.
Here's my thought. Whereas once Dean masked his insecurity with false-confidence and bravado, now he draws back. He seems very willing to let Sam take the lead. Something we did not see before. It seemed to me he stayed in the room to do the computer research. He's the new trusty Geek sidekick?
Whereas Sam once held back, resisted the life, now he embraces and fights with a real bravado and confidence. They completely reversed.
And I have to admit it... Sam was H O T T E R than H O T when he withstood and fought Alastair in the graveyard. The grin when he couldn't be moved? I admit it. I wanted him. BAD! If evil Sam brings that kind of hotness... BRING IT ON.
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Post by mick on Mar 14, 2009 0:49:00 GMT 1
But Sam had done nothing in that conversation to warrant that outburst.
Very true, and maybe I'm in the minority in this, but I guess I understood it because I've been guilty of doing the same kind of thing. It's definitely not the right way to handle things, but I'm just happy the show chose to acknowledge it (as opposed to, say, "Asylum," in which they never again mentioned what happened).
That was Dean's insecurity talking
Yes, because I think that maybe Dean may feel this way about himself, and then to have Sam say it to him, makes him think it even more.
now he draws back
I think he's building those walls, and he's making sure they are strong enough that no one can get through.
Um, I don't know why you feel like you're in the minority--I liked the spirit boys as well. I LOL at thw whole "Get out of me," at Dean's reference to Demi Moore (even more so as we now know that Whoopi is a fan!).
You're the second opinion I've read today that basically said the boys have switched places, only in the other one they were referencing the graveyard scene, where it was Dean who was more about "normal" and Sam was the one who was all "We're not normal." I have to agree with both of you.
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Post by Silwyna on Mar 14, 2009 11:27:18 GMT 1
as opposed to, say, "Asylum," in which they never again mentioned what happened
They did bring it up again, I think. In "Scarecrow", I don't think Dean would have let Sam go so willingly if Sam hadn't said what he'd said in Asylum.
Here's my thought. Whereas once Dean masked his insecurity with false-confidence and bravado, now he draws back. He seems very willing to let Sam take the lead. Something we did not see before. It seemed to me he stayed in the room to do the computer research. He's the new trusty Geek sidekick?
Whereas Sam once held back, resisted the life, now he embraces and fights with a real bravado and confidence. They completely reversed.
It even makes sense in a way. For Dean, hunting these things, using his guns and all, it was fun. He enjoyed doing it. In hell, this "fun" lead to torturing people. You know what I mean? I can see why he now prefers staying inside to killing and hunting, no matter how evil the prey.
And I have to admit it... Sam was H O T T E R than H O T when he withstood and fought Alastair in the graveyard. The grin when he couldn't be moved? I admit it. I wanted him. BAD! If evil Sam brings that kind of hotness... BRING IT ON.
ABSOLUTELY!!! I loved EvilSam since be was possessed by Meg. EvilSam is HOT! (I wonder what that says about us LOL)
Something else: I was watching "Phantom Traveler" from Season 1 last night (I'm trying to lure my little sister into the world of SPN LOL). When Sam is saying the exorcism while the plane is going down, there is a bolt or flash hitting the plane and the demon is gone. It looked a bit like the flash that caught Alistair (only smaller). I was thinking ... maybe that was God interfering too? Or one of his angels? Maybe saying an exorcism gets God involved in some way? The power of these exorcisms has to come from somewhere ...
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Post by yor on Mar 14, 2009 11:38:15 GMT 1
Interesting...
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Post by mick on Mar 14, 2009 15:17:26 GMT 1
I don't think Dean would have let Sam go so willingly if Sam hadn't said what he'd said in Asylum. Probably so, but I meant in that Dean never let Sam know how his words hurt him...he blew that off at the end, telling him everything was fine, that he didn't need to talk about it. You know what I mean? I can see why he now prefers staying inside to killing and hunting, no matter how evil the prey. Yep, and it may even be more fear than insecurity--he's afraid he's going to become on Earth what he was in hell. Dean's always been good at putting up those walls and avoiding things that are too painful for him. I think hell has changed that--he can't avoid the memories, can't push then out of his mind, and that along with everything else (what the angels want, what's going on with Sam, the end of the world)--yeah, I think I would want to stay inside, too! Ooh, but I have to say, he showed some, growth, maybe is the word--he didn't push Sam, didn't say anything to him about using his powers, just asked Sam not to treat him like he was an idiot when it came to the powers. It's like he's finally realised that Sam is going to do what he's going to do, and he can't stop it, as much as he may want to. Maybe he finally realises that Sam's got to make his own choices, and his own mistakes.
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